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As to the photonic life forms from Voyager ... I’d rather not go too far down that path because I hate what Voyager did with, for example, sentient holograms working as slave laborers in mines. I just don’t accept the concept of sentient holograms, despite enjoying the two Moriarty episodes of TNG.
How is a sentient hologram any different from Data?
The whole mining thing was a bit goofy although I thought they implied that the original EMH’s were not sentient and the Doctor achieved sentience since his program eventually became complex enough that he was sentient.
As to the photonic life forms from Voyager ... I’d rather not go too far down that path because I hate what Voyager did with, for example, sentient holograms working as slave laborers in mines. I just don’t accept the concept of sentient holograms, despite enjoying the two Moriarty episodes of TNG.
How is a sentient hologram any different from Data?
The whole mining thing was a bit goofy although I thought they implied that the original EMH’s were not sentient and the Doctor achieved sentience since his program eventually became complex enough that he was sentient.
Based on the Miner ones, I believe they were all sentient, but were never left on long enough for it to be discovered other than his abrasive personality.
Based on the Miner ones, I believe they were all sentient, but were never left on long enough for it to be discovered other than his abrasive personality.
Maybe but in early Voyager I still got the feeling that he was a complex program using pre-programmed reactions to outside stimuli and who’s personality was merely an approximation of Zimmerman’s. Since the program was self-learning it forced itself to change with the help of Kes. Its possible he might not have achieved sentience till much later when he had to resolve the programming glitch created by the death of Ensign Jetal.
The mining EMH’s likely had not had anything comparable happen to them in their life span.
How is a sentient hologram any different from Data?
Data is a remarkable feat of engineering that only one person was able to accomplish. Data himself was unable to recreate Soong’s success. Presumably, it couldn’t be recreated by replicator either.
Sentient holograms are portrayed as programs that can be pretty easily modified or copied.
I think that cheapens what they established with Data and his kin, and even in the parameters of the Trek universe, it stretches my believability.
So while I can accept Data, or decompiling people into atoms and reassembling them, I can’t accept sitting at a panel and coding a person. Maybe I’d be more accepting if I didn’t think they took the concept to ridiculous levels. That’s probably prejudicing me.
Can anyone confirm if Holodeck 3 Dr. Brahms qualifies for the Sunday Adv: United Federation cadet challenge? (possible because she’s a Hologram which might count as alien/part alien).
An old spreadsheet I’m using lists here as being eligible, but the wiki does not (I think) so I’m thinking my spreadsheet is wrong as I’ve always found the wiki to be pretty accurate, but I wanted to check on here for confirmation.
Thanks
Yes, I believe she does qualify. Note that Augments (Bashir, Persis) also qualify for UF.
Edit: Looks like someone’s already added her but hidden until it can be confirmed she’s eligible. I’ll try and remember to check on Sunday.
Just as a follow up to this, I have remembered to check today and can confirm that Holodeck 3 Dr. Brahms is not eligible for today’s Adv: United Federation Cadet Challenge.
How is a sentient hologram any different from Data?
Data is a remarkable feat of engineering that only one person was able to accomplish. Data himself was unable to recreate Soong’s success. Presumably, it couldn’t be recreated by replicator either.
Sentient holograms are portrayed as programs that can be pretty easily modified or copied.
I think that cheapens what they established with Data and his kin, and even in the parameters of the Trek universe, it stretches my believability.
So while I can accept Data, or decompiling people into atoms and reassembling them, I can’t accept sitting at a panel and coding a person. Maybe I’d be more accepting if I didn’t think they took the concept to ridiculous levels. That’s probably prejudicing me.
I also had a problem with how Voyager handled that. They told us that the Doc unique situation gave rise to his sentience then in the final season there were 3 different holograph rights episodes plus the one from season four (Revulsion) that basically said, its not that unique. Sentient holograms are everywhere. Plus sentient missiles. (Warhead) http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Revulsion_(episode) http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Warhead_(episode)
It was basically a retcon and left the massive question why is there still only one Data if you don’t even need the daunting positronic brain to create a sentient artificial life form.
How is a sentient hologram any different from Data?
Data is a remarkable feat of engineering that only one person was able to accomplish. Data himself was unable to recreate Soong’s success. Presumably, it couldn’t be recreated by replicator either.
Sentient holograms are portrayed as programs that can be pretty easily modified or copied.
I think that cheapens what they established with Data and his kin, and even in the parameters of the Trek universe, it stretches my believability.
So while I can accept Data, or decompiling people into atoms and reassembling them, I can’t accept sitting at a panel and coding a person. Maybe I’d be more accepting if I didn’t think they took the concept to ridiculous levels. That’s probably prejudicing me.
I also had a problem with how Voyager handled that. They told us that the Doc unique situation gave rise to his sentience then in the final season there were 3 different holograph rights episodes plus the one from season four (Revulsion) that basically said, its not that unique. Sentient holograms are everywhere. Plus sentient missiles. (Warhead) http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Revulsion_(episode) http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Warhead_(episode)
It was basically a retcon and left the massive question why is there still only one Data if you don’t even need the daunting positronic brain to create a sentient artificial life form.
TNG was guilty of the same thing in the episode “the quality of life.” I’d be surprised not there weren’t other examples.
@[NDQ] A Blues fan, you indicate in OP that for Security to use Pvt Money and a male alien. In another thread, though, someone said that B’Etor Duras will suffice for all the necessary rolls. I’m not sure if that means rare rewards or simply passing, as I’ve never leveled her and already 3-starred all the weekend epic missions. Worth looking into, though. Anyone know definitively?
