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Posted: 02 October 2016 07:28 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 31 ]  
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Yes, do please sticky this thread.  I wish something like this had been available to read when I first started.

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Posted: 02 October 2016 07:57 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 32 ]  
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Intellectual Fury - 02 October 2016 10:21 AM
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To not play this game.

It’s not Star Trek in any meaningful way.

It promotes a Culture of Waste to a greater extent than I have ever experienced.

Then you should quit and also leave the forums, but most importantly stop trolling my thread Illogical Fury.


I’m sure it’s impossible to convince you but I do not troll - ever. I mean what I say and I am not trying to upset anyone.

I also never quit anything - ever. I put time & money into this game and I am now obligated to continue to play the game, even though it is extremely frustrating. And I do not waste time or money.  Quitting would mean all the time & money I spent would be wasted. That is something I cannot allow. 

So I will continue to vent and complain on these boards, as it relieves some small amount of my stress that there is a 1/1000000 chance that it may help change the game. 

Sorry if you disapprove.  But you did ask the question.

I’m sorry, but that is broken logiic. If you don’t enjoy it, you are sinking more of your time into and is making your issue worse every day. I once told another forum user he should quit for the same reason. It isn’t to be mean. Instead, it is to say that there are plenty of other things to do and you should spend further time and money doing those.

As for those who used this as another thread to complain, your point as been made and that is not what the OP intended. At this point, you should let this thread be.

To answer your question, the additional shuttles are game changing, particularly for shuttle events. You get more resources and more runs and it is infinitely helpful.

Honestly, I cannot defend my “logic” as I understand the way I play is probably irrational.  But it is the pattern I have fallen into. I do know that the finality of quitting would be worse. It’s kinda like losses “on paper” in the stock market.  If your stock price drops but you do not sell they are unrealized losses, and really doesn’t count as a loss unless you sell and “quit” the stock. Also, if you stay and hold onto the stock the price can rebound and you can get your money back and even make a profit.  That’s how I feel here. That the game will come around and rebound at some point and make the frustration and money and time spent worth it. 

Hope that makes sense.

This is a pay to win card collector. The “game” aspect is window dressing. Unless you see DB changing that in the future, I don’t see how the experience will improve for you. Everything else you mentioned is self-rationalizing sunk cost fallacy.

Regarding sunk cost fallacies, I wish I’d known how little practical purpose the blue crew served for players willing to spend money. I’ve been sitting on 60 or so of them, trying to vault them but they hardly see use outside of expedition events. Cadets, purple and legendary crew seem immensely more useful. For a new player I’d recommend buying both shuttle slots followed by event packs then dismissing all but the best blue crew.

Edit: 60 not 80

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Posted: 03 October 2016 04:05 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 33 ]  
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To answer all of the questions at once about my edit to the OP:

Telling people to not spend money is not in the spirit of what this thread is about, and I think you know this. Rather, if you want to advise people on the most efficient way to spend then that’s perfectly within the spirit of this thread and why I created it. For example, telling people that monthly cards are the best options and even if you decide to spend more you should always have a card going. Then you can describe an efficient way of spending dilithium, such as recommending a third shuttle as a top priority and that buying 10x premium pulls and “Best chance” packs is a waste and that dilithium should be used instead on 10x event packs with guaranteed crew, then that’s absolutely why I created this thread. Someone mentioned earlier that you should not spend money simply trying to improve your VIP level. This is also something that is good for people to know, the VIP bonuses are almost entirely worthless. The only ones worth anything are the increase to total crew slots.

But to simply say “don’t spend money” is the antithesis of the type of thread I was going for and I didn’t directly intend to call just anyone a troll in this regard, but it was (almost) exclusively aimed at one person. Yes, we all know who, but to everyone else: Just please don’t do that. Stick to what this thread was intended to do. If you properly inform people on how the game works then they can make their own decisions on whether or not it’s worth it to them to spend.

I’ve toned down the edit to the OP to better reflect what I meant.

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Posted: 03 October 2016 04:30 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 34 ]  
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cannabination - 02 October 2016 10:59 AM

Keep your core crew around the same level and always progress until the checks are too high. The full chrons and max chron increase when leveling you gain a cpt level make it a waste of your time to level characters when you can progress. The higher your level, the more max chronitons you have to farm once you *need* to. Once you get a decent(3+ star) ship, be sure to do the elite and epic space battles asap. Loads of XP for you and typically better drop items. Your ship will be able to handle it.

This is something I learned early on, but it’s still worth emphasizing.

The first time you clear a mission you will get a massive Captain XP bonus. This also includes the first time you clear a different difficulty of the same as well, so there are three times per mission to gain the bonus Captain XP. Cadet missions count, too.

Since your maximum Chrons go up as your level goes up, not to mention that you get full Chrons when you level, you should always be on the lookout for missions where you might have passed up a higher difficulty. Go back and do these missions periodically, at least until your max Chrons are 100. At this point, the amount of Captain XP becomes too great and the amount of Chrons you will gain from leveling up will far exceed the Chrons you will gain from leveling up. At this point, only begin clearing older missions on higher difficulties as time and Chrons permit (which will not be often) or if you need those higher difficulties to farm a particular item. After this point, you will gain Captain XP (and levels) at a significantly reduced rate, but there’s really no way around that. It just makes the times when you do level up again all that more sweet.

As an exception, Ship Battles do not require you to get lucky with RNG in order to 3-star a difficulty. Simply defeat the opponent ship in within the specific time limit to get a 3-star. Since you will be spinning the Dabo wheel at least once per day (you are remembering to do this, right?) or twice per day if you have a monthly card, you will inevitably land on 150 schematics of a 5* ship. Once you have any 5* ship at Level 1, you should be able to clear any Ship Battle on Epic difficulty through Episode 6 with no problems. You should prioritize these missions and get 3-star on Epic as soon as you are able.

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Posted: 03 October 2016 08:25 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 35 ]  
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Edit: It’s extremely sad and disappointing that I have to say this, but responses like “Don’t play the game, hur dur dur” and “Don’t spend money on this game” are not acceptable and will be viewed as trolling. Those are personal preferences that don’t impact gameplay tactics and strategies in any meaningful fashion. Please be respectful of the community at large and don’t be a troll. Don’t like the game? Goodbye, have a nice life, but we don’t need to hear about it.

I’m sorry, but how is it trolling when you ask -

Things you know now that you wish you knew when you first started

as your title - I simply stated - things I KNOW NOW THAT I DID NOT KNOW WHEN I FIRST STARTED

 

I completely agree.  It isn’t trolling.  It is trolling however to slam people for responding honestly to the question.

I too, in hindsight, if I could go back, would have spent nothing on the game and been completely f2p.  I’ve been playing since day one and have spent enough to hit VIP 14 twice over.  That is an honest answer to your question.

I would have gotten massively more enjoyment out of the game as a f2p player.  So, my advice for enjoying the game would be to be a f2p player.  You have more limits but you’ll get much more fun from the game.

I’m not telling anyone not to spend money.  I’m purely giving my opinion based on my playing the game since the beginning.

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Posted: 03 October 2016 08:44 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 36 ]  
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I do not regret being a monthly card.  But that’s all I will ever do.

Advice is to have restraint on your spending.  If you have difficulty with gambling, then seriously rethink your playing this game.  And don’t be in a rush to finish everything today.  Then you will start spending way more than you need to. 

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Posted: 03 October 2016 09:53 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 37 ]  
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That when F equals Fun and M equals Money then F is indirectly proportional to M. I wish I hadn’t spent thousands on this game… wait, I haven’t…YAY.

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Posted: 03 October 2016 10:53 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 38 ]  
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Simple:
Don’t spend money.


Kidding.

....mostly.

What would I tell myself if I could travel back to that cold weekend in January when I downloaded and started this journey?

VIP isn’t all it’s cracked up to be, from poorly worded ‘features’ and abilities to the illusion of making the game easier.  Don’t sink that initial $1,000 into the game to get VIP14.  Instead, buy a monthly card.

This isn’t a ‘game’.  It’s a card collecting dice roll with a Star Trek skin over it.  For 10 months, more and more cards have come out, and I’ve spent thousands upon thousands of dollars to get them.  But you can’t hold or keep them all.

See, I have an addictive personality.  I’m a gambling addict.  I go to Vegas or other similar haunts and sink more money than I should into games of chance.  It’s something I’ve done for almost 20 years, and I won’t be stopping anytime soon.  It’s in my blood.  It’s who I am as a human.  This game just latches on to that and rides the wave.  If i’m not spending the money on this game, it’s going to a casino.  Sadly, the money going to a casino at least has a chance of producing a return, however short lasting it may be.

But, like previously stated, I’m already in.  I’m not quitting because I realize these things.  “No one is forcing you to stay & play”....well, actually, yes.  I am.  That’s what an addict does.  We keep chasing the elusive. 

So that’s what I’d tell myself.
Would I listen?
Probably not.

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Posted: 03 October 2016 11:04 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 39 ]  
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Would it be alright with the participants in this thread if I included some of their insights at the end of the thread for “Guide for new F2P” players? I can’t edit the guide itself since I had to change my forum membership after a bug several months ago, but I’d like to add posts such as Cannabination’s to the thread at least.

As for what I wish I knew:

Getting WARP 1 and WARP 10 was a really big boost to efficiency/fun for me, so I would suggest from day 1 getting a monthly card (and I guess a $5 dil purchase for warp 10 would be my choice, rather than waiting for 3 months of cards to reach that VIP). Obviously that depends on individual finances and views on microtransactions, etc.

I started a new F2P account recently just to get a sense of how difficult it is for newer players. I would say the best thing about it compared with when I started the game in January is the Dabo table and the replicator. Daily use of my 1 pull and 1 replicator is really, really helpful in getting over a lot of item roadblocks.

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Posted: 03 October 2016 11:26 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 40 ]  
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Spending money on this game is indeed brutal. I went 3 events where I had some surplus monies and bought $25 bundles for each, and in between the second and third I spent way too much trying to get Moriarty from those ridiculous best chance packs. Total of 25 packs and not a single 5* character.

My girlfriend bought those same 3 event bundles and no Moriarty packs and wound up pulling 10 5* characters. For some the birds sing; if that ain’t you, it becomes a lot easier to not spend money. If DB would introduce any kind of safety net I bet they’d see a lot more money. Regardless, if you want a decent sized crew and the ability to replicate, the nature of the beast says you’ve gotta spend *some* cash. Just like everything else, have a plan and stick to it.

This game is still quite young, and I’m not certain the approach DB is currently taking is going to give it a lot of longevity. With everything in the game being so heavily focused on RNG and the relatively high dollar amount you wind up investing even if you stick to… say 2 $25 bundles a month will inevitably burn people out. I know that I’m extremely gun shy about spending anymore because of the number of times I’ve essentially thrown my money in the trash. This game could die at any time because of the players lost through attrition, remember that when you’re deciding whether or not to spend.

Just remember it’s a game that’s supposed to be fun. I’d argue that a $25 event pack is more worthwhile than a night at the bar, as you get something out of it, but if you’re expecting 5* characters all the time you’re likely to be disappointed.

Riker 2.0 - 03 October 2016 11:04 AM

Would it be alright with the participants in this thread if I included some of their insights at the end of the thread for “Guide for new F2P” players? I can’t edit the guide itself since I had to change my forum membership after a bug several months ago, but I’d like to add posts such as Cannabination’s to the thread at least.

Yeah, go to town. Edit as needed smile

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Posted: 03 October 2016 11:27 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 41 ]  
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Also, good to know that you can’t delete posts on here, even if they’re the last post and completely useless. Lol.

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Posted: 03 October 2016 01:17 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 42 ]  
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Riker 2.0 - 03 October 2016 11:04 AM

Would it be alright with the participants in this thread if I included some of their insights at the end of the thread for “Guide for new F2P” players? I can’t edit the guide itself since I had to change my forum membership after a bug several months ago, but I’d like to add posts such as Cannabination’s to the thread at least.

As for what I wish I knew:

Getting WARP 1 and WARP 10 was a really big boost to efficiency/fun for me, so I would suggest from day 1 getting a monthly card (and I guess a $5 dil purchase for warp 10 would be my choice, rather than waiting for 3 months of cards to reach that VIP). Obviously that depends on individual finances and views on microtransactions, etc.

I started a new F2P account recently just to get a sense of how difficult it is for newer players. I would say the best thing about it compared with when I started the game in January is the Dabo table and the replicator. Daily use of my 1 pull and 1 replicator is really, really helpful in getting over a lot of item roadblocks.

We need to get this entire thread stickied.  There is a lot of odds and ends good advice for new players.  If you take one or more individual posts for new players, you should provide a link to the full thread.

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Posted: 03 October 2016 02:10 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 43 ]  
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Riker 2.0 - 03 October 2016 11:04 AM

Would it be alright with the participants in this thread if I included some of their insights at the end of the thread for “Guide for new F2P” players? I can’t edit the guide itself since I had to change my forum membership after a bug several months ago, but I’d like to add posts such as Cannabination’s to the thread at least.

As for what I wish I knew:

Getting WARP 1 and WARP 10 was a really big boost to efficiency/fun for me, so I would suggest from day 1 getting a monthly card (and I guess a $5 dil purchase for warp 10 would be my choice, rather than waiting for 3 months of cards to reach that VIP). Obviously that depends on individual finances and views on microtransactions, etc.

I started a new F2P account recently just to get a sense of how difficult it is for newer players. I would say the best thing about it compared with when I started the game in January is the Dabo table and the replicator. Daily use of my 1 pull and 1 replicator is really, really helpful in getting over a lot of item roadblocks.

We need to get this entire thread stickied.  There is a lot of odds and ends good advice for new players.  If you take one or more individual posts for new players, you should provide a link to the full thread.

That’s the plan. It would be great if the thread were stickied as well though.

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Posted: 03 October 2016 02:14 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 44 ]  
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Riker 2.0 - 03 October 2016 11:04 AM

Would it be alright with the participants in this thread if I included some of their insights at the end of the thread for “Guide for new F2P” players? I can’t edit the guide itself since I had to change my forum membership after a bug several months ago, but I’d like to add posts such as Cannabination’s to the thread at least.

As for what I wish I knew:

Getting WARP 1 and WARP 10 was a really big boost to efficiency/fun for me, so I would suggest from day 1 getting a monthly card (and I guess a $5 dil purchase for warp 10 would be my choice, rather than waiting for 3 months of cards to reach that VIP). Obviously that depends on individual finances and views on microtransactions, etc.

I started a new F2P account recently just to get a sense of how difficult it is for newer players. I would say the best thing about it compared with when I started the game in January is the Dabo table and the replicator. Daily use of my 1 pull and 1 replicator is really, really helpful in getting over a lot of item roadblocks.

We need to get this entire thread stickied.  There is a lot of odds and ends good advice for new players.  If you take one or more individual posts for new players, you should provide a link to the full thread.

That’s the plan. It would be great if the thread were added to the Guides sub-section as well though.

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Posted: 03 October 2016 02:56 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 45 ]  
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cannabination - 03 October 2016 11:27 AM

Also, good to know that you can’t delete posts on here, even if they’re the last post and completely useless. Lol.

But you can edit your post to delete anything you wish you hadn’t said. :D

Taran4 - 03 October 2016 01:17 PM

We need to get this entire thread stickied.  There is a lot of odds and ends good advice for new players.  If you take one or more individual posts for new players, you should provide a link to the full thread.

Honestly, just sticky cannabination’s two long posts. That’s the majority of what others have said anyways, and I don’t like the bizarre in-fighting that happened simply because I made a request of people. And they just keep posting and posting when I’ve already said my peace and dropped the issue, but that’s the internet.

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