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How many Sworn Swords do I need? How many of each type? How useful? 
Posted: 26 June 2017 08:43 PM   [ Ignore ]  
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I’m reassessing my lineup before I RI again, checking what I should perm, and seals to use.

I have 36 Sworn Swords
- 25 Battle Swords
- 9 Trade
- 2 Intrigue

My main is set up for Fight/Battle, but I know I need Trade swords to send barters.  But…

-I don’t know how many I Trade I should have?
——Should I specialize some? (Merchant, Swindle, Bribe)
———- Hell, what does Bribe even do?

-I don’t know how many Intrigue swords I should go for.
—- What is intrigue even good for? Not including if your main specialized in it
———Should I specialize some?
————-What does Spy do?  What does Sabotage do?

As for Battle, how many swords should I train full battle, and how many should specialize?

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Posted: 27 June 2017 02:02 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]  
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Whippersnapper - 26 June 2017 08:43 PM

I’m reassessing my lineup before I RI again, checking what I should perm, and seals to use.

I have 36 Sworn Swords
- 25 Battle Swords
- 9 Trade
- 2 Intrigue

My main is set up for Fight/Battle, but I know I need Trade swords to send barters.  But…

-I don’t know how many I Trade I should have?
——Should I specialize some? (Merchant, Swindle, Bribe)
———- Hell, what does Bribe even do?

-I don’t know how many Intrigue swords I should go for.
—- What is intrigue even good for? Not including if your main specialized in it
———Should I specialize some?
————-What does Spy do?  What does Sabotage do?

As for Battle, how many swords should I train full battle, and how many should specialize?

 

As with most aspects of the game, there are many different answers depending on your goals, preferences and budget…but in my opinion, at this stage in your game, your primary focus should be on finishing your reincarnations rather than building an army.  So all you really need at this point is enough SS to reincarnate efficiently, although in general it’s best to have enough SS to utilize all your command points.

You can use any SS for bartering (or swindling inactives), you don’t really need specialized barter SS at this point, and bribe and sabotage would probably be used more in AvA than PtP. 

You might however want a few SS specifically for Tales.

If you look in the Wiki under sword sworn levels/ranks, you will see how very VERY long it will take to max a SS to level 127…and trying to train SS while reincarnating is difficult, since they train best in high level adventures.  So unless you’re planning on reincarnating indefinitely (in which case you need to balance training with reincarnating), just get your reincarnations done and deal with intensive training later (although you may wish to delay reincarnating during xp events to take advantage of the extra xp then)

Unless you have very high level SS already (which is unlikely…and anything under level 30 or 40 is nowhere near as high level as newer players seem to think…again, check those Wiki numbers) they are easily replaceable.  Just pick them up as needed.

The more you play and accumulate gear etc you will have a better idea of the types and quantities of SS that will best suit your play style. You don’t need to decide that now.  Many new players (and I did this myself) perm too many SS early on.  This is not necessary, you can get them anytime you need them.

You might want to consider which pictures you prefer (examples in Wiki) and decide whether you prefer a variety, or for better organization you can use the same picture for the same action.  Names are no longer as important since DB added the option of renaming, but I personally would never choose to perm a SS with a name I didn’t like. 

Training with base stats or specialties has various pros and cons, but again your final decisions about those types of issues can wait until you have a better idea of what your final goals are, and with the option to retrain or sell SS, mistakes are not as serious as they once were. 

So my advice (and others might disagree) is just use the free SS the game gives you every life, don’t worry about saving them when you reincarnate, pick up extras as needed, and only perm SS if they are your favorites (picture and name) and they help get through reincarnating…then once you’re settled in, you can get as many SS as you want.

But if you decide you really really want a lot of SS sooner than that, they are cheaper to buy when you’re in Tyrell and use the cheaper SS talent points. 

 

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Posted: 27 June 2017 02:37 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]  
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Another thing to consider when keeping SS is gender…unless you don’t mind putting a male SS in a dress, consider whether the best gear you have or hope to get is for males, females, or unisex….you might want to have both male and female SS for certain actions, and how many of each might depend on gear, if things like that matter to you (and even if they don’t, and all you care about is stats, just remember others that can see your SS might think a male SS in dresses does not present a very threatening or impressive appearance)

But again, all theses decisions can wait until you’re settled in, and you can continue to add to your collection of SS as you keep playing and level up. Getting them to max level can easily,take a year or,longer, so a slight delay in acquiring them all doesn’t matter much long term.

Edit to add…also eventually you might want a few defenders for PtP, and to decide if you want SS specifically for AvA..but for now, battle SS for reincarnating. Should be sufficient (battle or spy is fastest for reincarnations, because of building upgrades for speed in smithy or embassy)

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Posted: 27 June 2017 04:09 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]  
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(Firstly : The Ravenry is a bit of a cockup.  You need to check the ‘view old’ in your messages to see any new messages.)

Tales is a good way to make some quick gold.  Even if you just play through your accrued vigour, you can get at least 5 gold.  Doing RI, the Tales also gives you some silver to boost and a free perm piece of equipment.  The nice part is that you don’t have to collect your Tales rewards before doing your next RI.

Taking Tales into account, it is best to have at least two GENERAL SS for Trade, Intrigue and Battle. Your Main Character stats don’t affect tales at all.  Building up a few SS then becomes a good thing if you ever want to get past the first phase of Tales. (train talents as general and NOT as speciality : i.e. Trade and NOT Barter etc)

If you ever intend to get involved with PtP tournaments, then building up one of each of the different SS specialities is a good idea.  Even if you don’t feel you will ever want to do tournaments, a decent Barter SS is a good plan as putting him/her on patrol makes any incoming barter give better silver payout.

Make sure to put your BEST gear on your MC.  Any stats, on your Main, are reflected on your SS.  If you have some good MC gear, you can quite successfully send your Skirmishers to go barter.  Of course, it is better to send well trained Barter SS, but they will be worse than Spies if your Main Gear is shyte.

My advice, chose two disciplines to specialise in and just open the basic houses for the others.  That will allow you to power level once you have finished your RI runs.  The quickest way to level up is to hit with your weakest attack in a Boss Quest - you just keep hitting with nothing attacks and you level up.

The different disciplines are slightly different for PtP and AvA.
For AvA :
https://www.disruptorbeam.com/blog/2017/1/27/spider-ava-phase-iterations-and-superlatives

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Posted: 27 June 2017 04:21 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]  
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My main’s IG Id is 1728600
My alt’s IG Id is 11562988
The alt is doing RI runs

I try to perm two or three SS each RI run to build up a decent size army.  I don’t really pay attention to the gender but I do try and make them silver only, peerless SS.  For example, I’ve finished with my Martel RI, so I have around 30 odd perm Saboteurs.

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Posted: 27 June 2017 04:27 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]  
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Yes you may want a barter defender…I had a level 127 male merchant, but then I had to make level 127 female merchants because there was no way I was putting my plump male merchant in a leather bra.

Eventually I retrained many of my high level merchants to swindlers. 

if you’re specializing in battle, I’d emphasize training for fight and harass over aid.  When and if you get serious about AvA, you might want to consult with your alliance about what they need and recommend. 

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Posted: 27 June 2017 12:04 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]  
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About the pictures: I have 25 Battle SS, and since I got them 2yrs ago before I left, I have a few duplicates. It’d be great to change those pics…

I was thinking of having a few specialists in Fight, Harass, and Aid for specific situations.
The same with the other 2 disciplines.  The issue is that my MC is set up with Battle-specific speed-ups, and Trade and Intrigue actions take 1hr+ longer.  So I avoid those when possible. However, I realize there are times when I wont be able to avoid them.


EDIT: About the battle SS:
My MC is equipped for Battle and more specialized towards fight. With Oathkeeper, Jeoffreys Surcoat, and currently Faithful Hound, but I used Wild Mammoth or Bravossi Galleon.  Previously I used the Thenn Gear, and before, I used the Ancestral Valyrian Sword.

So I was thinking:
- 3-4 swords specializing in Fight because I have Battle specific quest/adventure speedups and even more Fight specific speedups.
-2 Harass SS
-2 Aid SS

-The rest I leave general Battle.

-I will leave my Barter SS alone.

How do I specialize SS for Tales?

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Posted: 27 June 2017 02:13 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]  
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Perm-able items:

Scorched Armor isnt something I should perm I take it?

What about Tales specific items?
Riverlands Pin
Meereenese Embellished Arakh? It has 17% to trade in Breaker of Chains Tale…
Riverlands Dinghy

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Posted: 27 June 2017 03:24 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]  
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For Tales, train in the general talents (i.e. Battle) and not in the specific talents (i.e. Harass, Fight or Aid).  For the single flavour Tales, you can use three specific trained SS and two general - but even then it is easier with general for all as you have these obscenely long runs of one type of attack.  General trained SS can deal with those long runs a lot easier than the specific SS can.

I wouldn’t perm any Tales gear.  Unless you get some top of the line Tales gear, the normal gear works better than the common stuff you get from a normal Tales run.  Throw the freebee Tales seals on your better normal gear and that will take you far enough for now.  I usually end my RI run by using any spare cash to craft Keepsakes in the Great Hall.  Those can be used to try for some decent Tales gear

..... my favourite SS is a spy with a very scruffy beard and moustache.  He runs around in a black evening frock, waving a dirty great pennant and carrying a dragon egg under his arm.  It makes me smile to imagine how he avoids notice so easily - makes you wonder what normal is in the camps he infiltrates :)

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Posted: 27 June 2017 03:31 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]  
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So no perm on the Meereenese Embellished Arakh? It has 17% to trade in Breaker of Chains Tale

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Posted: 27 June 2017 03:55 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]  
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Personally, I wouldn’t perm it. I’d rather use the gold to open another seal slot on an already permed SS or piece of equipment. It is completely upto you though - we can now sell permed items so, if you have the gold to spare, you can always sell it later if you get something better

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Posted: 27 June 2017 06:17 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]  
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Oh god. I need to find an ingame option *ask/prompt before selling perm item*

Im currently going thru all my stuff to sell non-permed stuff, rearranging seals (the ones that can be taken off with silver at least). Then RI.  Thats why I was asking because if something’s worth it, ill perm it.  Unlocking slots is a better idea though. Thanks for reminding me.

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Posted: 28 June 2017 01:58 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]  
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Do you play on FB?
Found the inventory spreadsheet from Tim - it may help you to sort through what to keep or lose

https://lookaside.fbsbx.com/file/GoTA Inventory Exporter v1.51.html?token=AWywcwPPoR9O_XYphP73Moctx9VYZ2d2QDSie8lHVSAuwgoS_JIas0jLUpMM9mSmpwyzEimDwqNoywHBna6fQu77cDhGe3Sta-BoGsamWYeSCcvPVNkUAGMbwX982TArhgOOrqlHu_rhl65aS9qZTJQWCphEHjxrqTmjW65ge9q4jw

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Posted: 28 June 2017 03:56 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 13 ]  
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Oh wow thanks! Thats going to be a big help if it works.

I only have 35 pages of items total so it’s ok. I’m currently removing seals (with silver) and reassessing where to best put seals, use the good seals so they don’t get wasted, etc. 

Also, looking at Swords stats to see if retraining is needed.

some perceived issues:
I have 2-3 like this…
SYBELLE RYGER (BATTLE/FIGHT HYBRID) Rank 25 +15 to Fight - So… Rank 16 in Battle & Rank 15 in Fight. Since it’s 2yrs ago, IDK what I was thinking, or if this is good or bad. Considering retraining for these to go in one direction or another (if splitting points isn’t good)

I also have several stat-master Swords with most points in Battle, but with 5-7pts in Fight. Those were my first swords so I was probably confused as to what to train. Considering retraining them to maximize all points into Battle, but hesitating: Is it worth it to retrain for 5-7pts?

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Posted: 28 June 2017 08:44 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 14 ]  
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Whippersnapper - 28 June 2017 03:56 PM

Oh wow thanks! Thats going to be a big help if it works.

I only have 35 pages of items total so it’s ok. I’m currently removing seals (with silver) and reassessing where to best put seals, use the good seals so they don’t get wasted, etc. 

Also, looking at Swords stats to see if retraining is needed.

some perceived issues:
I have 2-3 like this…
SYBELLE RYGER (BATTLE/FIGHT HYBRID) Rank 25 +15 to Fight - So… Rank 16 in Battle & Rank 15 in Fight. Since it’s 2yrs ago, IDK what I was thinking, or if this is good or bad. Considering retraining for these to go in one direction or another (if splitting points isn’t good)

I also have several stat-master Swords with most points in Battle, but with 5-7pts in Fight. Those were my first swords so I was probably confused as to what to train. Considering retraining them to maximize all points into Battle, but hesitating: Is it worth it to retrain for 5-7pts?

ITs not worth it to retrain sworn swords that are that low level…once you are able to train sworn swords properly, it will only take a couple days to get them higher than that…but again, training will be easier after you’re done reincarnating

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Posted: 28 June 2017 09:08 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 15 ]  
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Let me try explaining this again…when you are reincarnating, you want speed gear/seals, and SS are primarily going on quests and low level adventures…they do not train well this way. When you are settled in, you can switch to xp gear/seals on MC and SS to be trained, and send them on high level adventures (especially during xp events) over and over again.  Then they will train much more efficiently. You will also be able to,use tactics and talent points to improve training.

Now is not the best time for obsessing over SS, just use how many and whatever type you can get to go through the volume 1 quests.  Later you will have lots of time and silver for,working on building and training your army.  At different stages of the game, different aspects take priority.  RIght now, your focus should be on having enough SS to reincarnate efficiently, which gives you lots of time to decide how you eventually want to plan your SS collection.

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